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Ted

I'd be curious to hear more about how you view THE ROAD as science fiction. I tend to agree with Maureen McHugh's take on the novel at http://maureenmcq.blogspot.com/2007/07/cormac-mccarthys-road.html

Niall

That's interesting, because I also agree with that post. We must be agreeing with different bits of it. I agree that The Road isn't genre science fiction, and won't satisfy if someone tries to read it as genre science fiction. But it's set in the future after some kind of apocalyptic event, which to me clearly makes it some kind of science fiction. Chabon's argument seems to be that the science fiction elements are props, deployed as part of a strategy to evoke horror, and that it is therefore a horror novel. To which I say, fine, but if you can't get that horror without the sf elements, if that horror is specific to the sf premise -- and I think that it is, in the case of The Road -- then it is also an sf novel.

Jonathan M

I tend to think that arguments over what is and is not SF are utter wastes of time. The reason why the issue comes up is that 'science fiction' lacks conceptual clarity; it means different things to different people.

For precisely these reasons, it's not at all clear to me that it's a useful critical term. a useful critical term is one that deepens one's understanding of a text but I'm not sure how my understanding of The Road is made deeper (or more shallow for that matter) by fixing the term 'science fiction' to it.

Niall

I'm not sure how my understanding of The Road is made deeper (or more shallow for that matter) by fixing the term 'science fiction' to it.

Calling The Road a "horror novel" tells me something about its affect and goals. Calling The Road a "science fiction horror novel" tells me something about its affect, its goals, and the likely strategies it uses to achieve those goals. Both terms suggest other works it might be useful to compare The Road to. So it doesn't deepen your understanding, but it's a useful shorthand for a number of different aspects of the conversation.

Jonathan M

Is it a useful shorthand though? these kinds of theoretical shorthands tend to rest upon the ability of the reader to work out what the term is short-hand for.

For example, if I were to say that the Road is a Marxist novel or a work of 'Mundane SF' then I think that an informed reader would take something away from that jargon. But I'm not sure that 'science fiction horror' does.

What is the role of SF in The Road? well... you could write a story about a man and his son wandering across Darfur or provinicial Afghanistan and have the same interplay of hope, fear and love (consider Heart of Darkness).

The most obvious SF elements are the tropes used to underline the horror of the setting; the Mad Max homage, the cannibalism, the talk of ruined cities and stuff like that. But again, given that Heart of Darkness did horror in a similar way without the use of SF tropes suggest that the SF elements here aren't doing that much work.

The only SF element that does real heavy lifting is the suggestion that EVERYTHING is gone. That there's nothing 'out there' to hold on to and to hope for (which explains the elevation of the child into some kind of mystical figure despite there being no real basis for this outside of the psychological uplift that comes with the feeling of exceptionalism and meaning that would stem from protecting such an entity).

To me, the decision to remove all hope from the world is the heart of The Road... that is a purely SF trope. Heart of Darkness showed the savagery of humanity when it's just a few hundred miles from civilisation. It's like that Louis CK bit :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8VlUFpqCqU

(@1 minute 25)

Heart of Darkness is powerful because it isn't an image of some post-apocalyptic humanity. It's just some people who are a boat-ride away from police and courts and families and religion and so on.

By contrast, the hideousness of The Road's setting is very different as the implication is that you wouldn't have cannibalism and blood cults unless everything was gone.

The horror of the setting of The Road is very different to that of the horror in Blood Meridian (which is a lot closer to that of Heart of Darkness) and I think that that horror is purely SF. I also think it's less powerful for it... as CK suggests if you were alone on the planet there's all kinds of stuff you'd do that you wouldn't if civilisation was out there somewhere.

So yeah... I'm not sure what the labeling of the Road as SF actually brings you. I think that the SF elements of the Road are quite precise in terms of the work they do and they need to be unpacked quite a bit beyond a simple label.

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